Actress Evangeline Lilly (Lost, Marvel’s Wasp) has taken a stance on social distancing: she’s against it.

According to Buzzfeed (Morgan Murrell 3/19/20) Lilly stated, after posting a picture of taking her kids to gymnastics this past Monday,  “Some people value freedom over their lives. We all make our choices.”

So- what do we think of this statement?

What is more important, your freedom or you life?

She then added:

“Where we are right now feels a lot too close to Marshall Law for my comfort already, all in the name of a respiratory flu. It’s unnerving.”

In light of the Governor of California’s decision to effectively shut down the state, do you think decisions like this are good or bad, or just decisions that need to be made?

“…keeping a close eye on our leaders, making sure they don’t abuse this moment to steal away more freedoms and grab more power.”

Is Gavin Newsom making a power grab, or is he just trying to protect as many people as possible?

She also stated that “Something big always happens around election season.”

What do we think about that statement, in light of what is going on around the world.

I want you to really think about what this woman is claiming. Is she right, wrong, or somewhere in the middle?

What do you think about this, and why?

121 thoughts on “Quatre

  1. I generally roll my eyes at the Big Political Statements that actors make, but this makes me lose most of my respect for her. Covid-19 is a disease that has the potential to kill millions. It’s a disease that humanity has no resistance to. The order to stay at home is one made to protect as many people as possible, not to violate our liberties. Obviously, Lilly still has the ability to put her children as risk. No one has stopped her from putting them at risk. But history has showed us what happens when people decide to get together in large groups during a pandemic. Philadelphia decided not to stop large gatherings during the Spanish Flu in 1918. As a result, their death rates were incredibly high.

    Big events are always happening, election year or not. Viruses don’t care about borders or politics. If I have to stay at home for a while to keep other people from getting sick and dying, then I can live with that.

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  2. This situation is not.one to be taken lightly. Her statement is equal to someone not vaccinating their children. These politicians are doing the best they can. This is not a political ploy. I feel sorry for her. What is she thinking?

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  3. The first statement on valuing freedom… it is her personal choice and a choice she is making for her children I suppose based on their ages.

    Does she have the right to exercise her freedom to be out and living life- technically yes at this point. “Shelter in place” or “on lockdown” does not mean you are forbidden from leaving home. It does not mean we are living under Marshall Law. The terms are not meant to be literal, but a strongly suggested norm for society at this time. Avoidance. Protect yourself and everyone you live with, and your community. Avoidance is the socially responsible thing to do. Taking your kids to gym class seems to be the selfish thing to do. Throwing around terms and ideas to make a point or be dramatic or to incite emotions in others is being irresponsible. Trying to tie this pandemic to something politically motivated (true or not) or a power grab only further creates divisive ideology and conflict.

    Rather Lilly is right or wrong, voices like hers and attitudes like hers do little to inform or add clear fact to this situation.

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    1. I’m not surprised to see people taking a stance on anything. But I’m interested in the greater good….at what point do our personal freedoms impact the freedoms of others? Are we to be socially responsible or personally responsible. There’s no answer to these questions, as you know. And maybe exploring these things makes people reflect too much about their own character.

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      1. The microcosm I work in is rife with conflicting ideals on personal versus social responsibility. I listen a lot. Some of what I hear is definitely an age difference perspective on the issue. Much is fear, from those who are overly dramatic to the opposite who are taking an “I could care less attitude” to the apparently rationale and factual core group who is cautious.
        There are instigators and those who remain quiet and watchful but everyone has an opinion rather it’s voiced or not.
        There will be those who take the time to reflect and learn. There will also always be those whose personal views cannot be altered.

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      2. My grandma taught how to behave when I was little. Manners (please, thank you), and the Golden Rule- treat others how you would like to be treated.

        Socially irresponsible in my opinion likely means she could be personally irresponsible.

        Laws, taxes, bylaws are all agreed up norms of behaviour by people to abide by in support of a society that can afford roads, pipelines, clean water, schools, power, sewer, and not be rubbing two sticks together for fire.

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  4. Does anyone actually like being told what to do? Of course not.
    Though, in this situation, is it really about personal liberties, or is it coming together as a community of human beings doing what we can to keep each other safe?
    I mean, there are arguments for each point of view, and some may even be sound.
    For me it comes down to erring on the side of caution, I would do anything to keep my kids safe. Period.
    Elections and crisis and all the ‘things’ come and go, I am not willing to risk my kids lives or the lives of other people’s kids to maintain the freedom to go out and do the ‘things’.

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    1. That’s exactly what I was thinking…at what point does personal freedom impact the personal freedom of another? Do you just worry about your kids or all kids? I thought it made for an interesting dialogue

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  5. Freedom of choice is a wonderful right enjoyed by hundreds of millions in North America including this mother.
    The request is made for to social distance herself and her children to isolate or delay the spread of a disease that:
    * could kill millions
    * causing economic devastation to a huge percentage of her country

    But she won’t because she doesn’t like to be told what to do.

    Restrictions need to enforced (like seat belts for children) because some people are oblivious to anyone but themselves.

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  6. I admit I was furious when I read the Lilly story. Her response seemed very entitled to me in the sense that the only thing that mattered was her family and their needs. Look, this sucks all around. But honestly, if me being a bit stir crazy for several weeks means a lot more people have a chance to live, then so be it. I’d rather feel at the end of all this like we “overreacted” than see the obituaries page start to take over the newspaper as it has in Italy.

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  7. FIrstly, https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/laying-down-the-law-on-martial-and-marshal-and-marshall . 🙂 And secondly, I agree that we must ALWAYS pay close attention because we can’t trust the government. But, as a Christian we are told to obey authorities, so even if I don’t trust them, I will not blatantly rebel unless it goes against the Word of God, such as taking the mark of the beast, or murder. Yes, I’m feeling a bit weary this morning.

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  8. We are all members of one human family, and this virus has just illustrated this more clearly.
    I will always work to protect the common good. Isn’t it amazing how, in times of crisis, people’s true characters become visible to everyone. ? 🤗

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  9. Maybe she’ll know the real meaning of freedom when they start to impose real lockdowns due to idiots like her. Seriously, who likes this? But to have the nerve to say that publicly right now shows just how out of touch she is.

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  10. I don’t like it. “Some people value their freedom over their life”. Well it just isn’t about their life! It is about other’s lives as well. Their choices do give them freedom, but their choice can also take another’s lives by transmitting this virus and not knowing it. She definitely has the spring breaker mentality! As for “something big always happens around election” I agree with that. But this is world wide. I can’t believe all these other countries would get together and decide, hey, let do this virus thing because the US is having an election!!! Actually I can’t imagine all these countries getting together and agreeing on anything!!! Thats my two cents for the day!! Have a great day!!!!

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      1. Good point. I guess personal choice affects the personal choice of others when the choice is caring or when the choice is selfish. If the choice is selfish in terms of the virus, person A makes the personal choice to ignore warnings and goes out, possibly transmits the virus to person B. Person B gets it, becomes ill, person B’s personal choices just became very narrow because of person A’s personal choice to ignore social distancing. My opinion anyway.

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  11. It is MARTIAL law, sorry that makes me scream. Seriously, freedom to live life as you choose would be fine if you live in a vacuum. The people she comes into contact with don’t have the freedom to walk away from her. She is being obtuse, she is no worse than the pastor in Louisiana that held services despite the President said no gatherings of more than 10 people.

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  12. My observations:
    1. Perhaps her career is flagging, and her agent suggested that any publicity is good publicity.
    2. It’s already been noted that she misspelled “martial.” That was the first thing I picked up about her post.
    3. I presume her poor kids have inherited her room-temperature IQ.
    4. I mean this in the nicest possible way, but a pox on her.

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  13. I understand where she thinks she’s coming from but she clearly hasn’t educated herself on what Marshall Law actually is nor the scientific reality of this disease. I am low risk, my children are low risk, my husband a touch higher but my mother in law checks almost all the high risk categories. If one of us picks up the virus we put her in a dangerous situation. This is not about not valuing freedom, it’s about loving and respecting my family.

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  14. Thank you for explaining who this woman is. I mocked a tweet about her yesterday because I had no idea who she was and therefore didn’t care what she had to say. I still have no real interest in her thoughts, but now I know she’s a TV/movie star. Like we need more of them yammering on…

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    1. Well yeah. I just thought what she said was interesting, and thought it was worthy of a discussion. Where does personal liberty intersect with the greater good? Are rules necessary. Just tossing in some controversy to keep our brains working

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    1. Ok fine you got me started. If they can halt this virus and figure out how to combat it NOW while everyone hunkers down for a few weeks or months, this would be a benefit for humanity. It’s a bit of a sacrifice, yes. CRY ME A RIVER SNOWFLAKE.

      It’s temporary but will change the course of our lifestyle in the coming years. When I say temporary I mean it’s not over when the curve is flattened. It will resurface and mutate. Just stick to some common sense right now.

      Politicians are running from fire to fire and many (not all) are doing it wrong. But some are doing it right.BUT THEY ARE NOT THE FUCKING POINT HERE.

      You want to value YOUR OWN LIFE, show some RESPECT for the life of OTHERS who are compromised now or those who are helping those who are compromised.

      FFS

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  15. The essence of her mindset is right on. Freedom isn’t something we should take for granted, and yes, we should hold our elected representatives accountable when they try and take these freedoms away.

    But . . . .

    There is context here. And it’s called Europe.

    We owe those around us the responsible measures that might help to stem this rising tide. I’m not happy about it, but I get it.

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      1. I started a jigsaw puzzle with my daughter last night. Hadn’t done one of these in years, but it took me back to when my kids were small and we did them all the time. Simple, familiar thing to hold onto.

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  16. Both of my children are diabetic. Their immune systems are compromised, and they are at high risk. The people who are ignoring the quarantine are putting at-risk people in danger. It just makes sense to stay home and put this virus to rest.

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  17. And that is a classic example of narcissism. I’m not sure I can really approach how vile I think this attitude is without getting really nasty, but I’ll try. It is one thing when your actions and ignorance only harm yourself. It is another when it puts so many others at risk. One of the reasons things like this shutdown are being put in place is because some people are too arrogant or ignorant to think the rules apply to them. It is why we have laws and ridiculous warnings on products, like not spraying window cleaner in your eyes. It is no different than someone with too much to drink getting behind the wheel of a car, except in that case the person driving is likely to be harmed as well. With this situation, people like this woman probably won’t get sick, so she wouldn’t suffer any personal consequences for her actions without government intervention. Do governments overreach? Hell yes! That isn’t the case here and anyone that has even an ounce of compassion for their fellow man should be able to see that.

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  18. I think she is being incredibly irresponsible. And why is gymnastics open anyway? I feel that if we all give this a few weeks, we could get past it. China is posting no new infections for the second straight day and they have been hunkered down for 8 weeks. This has to be everyone. Does she really think this is a election ploy? She should use her “freedom” to volunteer at a hospital. They could use the help.

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  19. It makes me think of Patrick Henry’s quote “give me liberty or give me death”. As Americans we’re kind of hard wired to be rebels and buck any system that tries to take our freedoms. While I understand the reasoning for social distancing (I work in healthcare) I also understand the mindset she’s coming from. I don’t want government controlling what common sense should. (Unfortunately, there’s less common sense out there than there should be)

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  20. Making a choice that affects your life is different than making one that affects other people’s lives. Staying put for a couple of weeks is not a big burden to bear. One could argue that if you spread the disease and a person dies as a result, you should be charged with manslaughter and be imprisoned. That’s one way to forfeit your liberty

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  21. The problem with exercising one’s right to choose freedom over life is that they are infringing on other people’s right to life. I feel it is reckless and irresponsible. My God, is nobody watching what is happening around the world? In Italy? I am sorry but this is more than a “respiratory flu”. When people of influence such as public figures, so-called “stars” and the like express such opinions it just makes me cringe. I think your governor is making decisions for the good of all. I would not want to see your health care system crash, as it has in Italy. It will not take long before hospital are overwhelmed. For heaven’s sake people need to consider the greater good and not just their own desires.

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      1. Fair point. But I think in this case with Covid-19 causing so many deaths and upheaval the public good has to take precedence. I do agree politicians have to be closely watched, perhaps now more than ever.

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  22. It’s interesting to read the comments. This is not something any of us have experienced in our lifetime. In the beginning I believed it was being blown out of proportion; the the media and governments were over-reacting. After reading more about it and educating myself on it’s origin and how it’s spreading and affecting others and the health care workers, I changed my mind. This is more than a common seasonal respiratory flue virus. While no one knows where the statistic will end up compared to H1N1, SARS or some of the other pandemics, I believe it’s irresponsible to take the position she is taking. Do i want to self-isolate? Not really. But, if i insisted on living life as usual, unknowingly contracted it and brought it home where 14 days later Entrepreneur (who is fighting cancer) might come down with it, what sort of person does that make me? The population of France is a good example of people blatantly disregarding warnings to reduce social interactions. They have not and now look what is happening there. Yes, the flue takes many lives each year…many of the elderly. But we have ways of treating the flu the it presents itself. The human body has no natural defense to this virus yet. To those that get it and recover, GREAT! But many are struggling and losing due to it’s unique genetic makeup. After a lot of preparation, we’ve made the decision to semi-isolate ourselves and limit exposure to only be out when absolutely necessary; and take the necessary precautions. Hopefully I’ll be able to get back to blogging more! Take care and be well. xoxox

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    1. We’ve been basically staying home except for market runs. I mean, there’s nothing open, so it’s easy. I walk the dog to the park everyday and back, but that’s it for my leaving. Be well and take care of yourselves!!💗💗💗

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  23. The argument could be seen as something like the “smokers’ rights” issue, in that if her/their actions do not hurt anyone else, guaranteed, then it makes sense for people to do what they want. If her/their demands to do what they want stink up the air for others, or spread germs to others, that’s not alright and the grownups have been trying to control harm to others. OF COURSE we are in a repressive time period, and of course many governments are using this as a much easier form of crowd control than militia rule. However, if the virus exists (and I am willing to believe it does), then people need to work together. Everyone’s mileage may vary.

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  24. I’m unfamiliar with the actress but yes she does have a point, personal freedoms will be lost but what’s the alternative? Allow 7.9 billion people to be infected and 237,000,000 will die, that’s if I got my maths correct!

    (Are we in danger of battling against mother nature, if so humanity will lose! There’s an argument for allowing the pandemic rip across the globe, allow the entire world’s population to be infected much the same as Britain’s bubonic plague or Spanish influenza, Darwinist evolution it’s purest form and all over just in time for Christmas……………….. a discussion point and nothing more 🙂 )

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      1. Lol I’ve often wondered if I’m drawn to your blog because we have similar thought processes. I wrote a post on my previous blog (got deleted when a Slovakian woman caught up with me!) Long story short, I disagreed with people who say if they lived in Nazi Germany they would help persecuted Jews. It’s bs, they don’t know, if I’d lived in Berlin 1938 and was witness to a crowd stoning a Jewish dwelling, I’m ashamed to say I’d probably be one of those to stand and observe, I’d be disgusted but alas I wouldn’t have been strong enough to intervene, you just cannot say.

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      2. I would have been standing next to you, and I agree, I call out those people all the time. The reason we call people hero’s, or share those stories is because so few people helped. And honestly, I look at people hoarding things and just general behavior patterns, and all I can think is….yeah…you totally would have sheltered a Jew….right…..

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  25. A very touchy topic. Not everyone is “getting it” at the same time. Now that I’m approaching the older at risk age, I have a different perspective. I think that eventually, everyone will understand how important it is to slow down the spread, even those who are strong and healthy and who might not suffer from getting it. That’s my hope at least!

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  26. Well, something big always does happen around election time. That would be many conspiracy theories though and I just don’t see that. It is the way things happened. A decade from now we may have more insight and that time will be interesting. Until then, we hold tight.

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  27. I think people have a choice but the problem with not social distancing for a short period of time is that those very people will continue spreading The Virus. Is Freedom to be had at the cost of injuring others? On a wee side note this is taking some getting used to. Libraries, theatres, restaurants all closed. And I am discovering I am not at all as interesting as I thought I was. This comes from spending way too much time with myself. And how are you doing?

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  28. I live in Pa, our governor suggested all non life sustaining business’s need to close to stop the spread (although i disagree that beer distributors are essential). I work for a company that was bought out by Mormons 11 years ago. The President & Owner both reside in Utah. They decided to keep us open a day after telling us we should close. I feel like they are being selfish. Granted we aren’t being forced to work but they are trying to cheat the system. The company is archival, our clients are libraries, museums and universities including The Library of Congress. Also, its the beginning of spring which means allergy season, which means i have a touch of asthma. They have a no drs excuse needed sick leave in place till April 15. As I feel at the moment, I want to abide by the Governor. Self sacrificing personal freedoms ?, the best way to rationalize it…citizens could be executed for not complying. State Government seems to be a hell of a lot more compassionate to We the people, than the Federal Government. I know a mouthful, but I had to get it out of my system.

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  29. I live in CA. I can understand where she is coming from, but still she could be choosing death for someone else by her actions. Many in CA though are also pointing out that with all these businesses closing, many lower income workers (janitorial staff, waiters, maids, service industry folks) will lose their jobs. Small businesses will go under, leaving their employees jobless. There will be massive unemployment and no quick recovery. So it’s said this economic disaster could kill many as well who will then not be able to pay for adequate health care. I don’t know what to think of it all, there are no easy answers. Italy has a much higher population of people over 60 than the US does, and some say this is contributing to their problems. I wonder if she might change her tune if her daughter caught the virus at gymnastics?

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  30. Balance is key in all things, so I agree and disagree. Personally, we’ve been mostly at home, but we haven’t avoided going to the store, getting gas, eating out (some restaurants are still open and have modified their in-dining experiences). We have not, however, been to the beach. I think there’s a balance in listening to the guidelines and using your brain so as not to put yourself or others at risk. Also, I’ve reminded people that social distancing, self-quarantine, and quarantine are three different directives. Due to poor leadership (at all levels), they’ve been lumped in together with very little guidance.

    I also think we can all do what we want and face the consequences of living in a country where we can do what we want.

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    1. I think she makes valid points. But, with I think you do have to think about how your actions effect (affect? I always screw th at up) others….I don’t know what’s a good or a bad decision

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  31. I think this it’s going to be interesting to see how people react a month from now, when there are move people who have died from the Corona virus, and also more people who have gone bankrupt from the restrictions to the Corona virus. I’m thinking we’re going to see a huge spike in depression too. The aftershocks of this will be felt for a long time. There’s no easy answer! That being said, given the current situation, I wouldn’t take my kids to gymnastics at a time like this. It’s not worth the risk to anyone.

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  32. I think that lady is lacking mindfulness of others and of herself. One must be aware that our actions can damage someone else’s immune system. I think she needs to follow the rules for all that can and may be affected by her ‘choices’ to do what she wants.

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  33. I agree with Lilly up to a point. I don’t mind self-quarantine but I don’t want the government to do it. I do think we need to watch our leaders more closely because power in itself is a mighty influence that can warp anyone’s mind. I believe we need to be more mindful of our independence in this country and protect it from anyone who might try to steal it.

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    1. I clearly see both sides of this issue. And I can’t help but wonder if nyc had quarantined itself for a week back in February, would we face the issues we now face. But that’s all hindsight….all I can do is work on today.

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  34. I think she is being very irresponsible, it’s not a plan to take over peoples lives unless every other country in the world is hoping to do the same. Unless the action is taken there will be no people left to rule. We have pushed Mother Nature to far and now she is fighting back and you can’t fight and win against her

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      1. It may not be a few though, it’s a new virus no one is sure what is going to do next, I wonder how she will feel if one of her loved ones catch it and die from it. I agree it’s a fine line but we all have to pull the same way.

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  35. LA, yet another really interesting debate. Many commentators here in the UK are getting frustrated that our famously libertarian leader is only giving advice & not laying down the law, as so many people continue to disregard advice who’d be likely to comply if it were law. I also think the conspiracy theory aspect is risible. My feeling is it this isn’t about personal freedom but something more shallow.

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    1. I’m going to write about freedom at some point this week. Right now, I just want people to think more broadly then going with a gut yes or no, and see the 50000 shades of grey to this, and any topic

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